# Jagwar Twin and Harry Potter > [!gist] idk about you but i feel like fucking dumbledore > There is exactly one documented Harry Potter reference in the whole Jagwar Twin catalogue: a 2025 song called **"dumbledore,"** plus the very public fight Roy waged to release it. Everything past that single anchor is *convergence,* not influence. Both bodies of work are reading from the same very old library of Western esoteric tradition, so the parallels come out dense and a little uncanny, and still neither side is borrowing from the other. > > This page exists to keep that straight. Roy is a self-declared "potter head," Harry Potter sits on his 2022 list of favorite *documentaries* (an endearing slip, filed beside *The Wizard of Oz* and *The Lord of the Rings*), and the moment you start reading the two catalogues against each other, the parallels pile up fast: alchemy, mirrors, doubles, hidden knowledge, word-magic, death and rebirth. The temptation is to draw a straight line from Rowling to Roy. Don't. Route every parallel through the shared tradition, never through Potter directly, and the page stays honest. A fellow traveler is not a source. **Where it enters** * The song itself: **"dumbledore"** (2025), written by Roy English, Ryan Daly, and Dustin Steven Rutkowski, released via Big Loud, with a **"DARK ARTS VERSION"** in the metadata and the Polish folk ensemble Laboratorium Pieśni in the credits. Roy captions the Acoustic version *"Dumbledore, but it's a love song 🧙,"* the mentor-and-freeing register, not a plot retelling. * The Gatekeeper Saga, on the public Discord: *"I'm trying to release dumbledore but the gatekeepers are blocking me from getting it to the realm."* "dumbledore" was the codename for a release the label was sitting on, and Roy narrated the whole fight in wizard. * [[The Interview]]: [[Sir Lucius]] roasts the pivot, *"One minute your music is a twisted circus, the next it's Dumbledore,"* and Roy declines the forced either/or: *"I guess I'm somewhere in the middle."* That is the surface, and it stands on its own. The drawers go one reading deeper at a time. --- > [!map]- Narrated entirely in house-elf > The grounded heart of this whole concept is a real label fight told as a sustained Potter bit, Nov 2024 to Feb 2025, between Roy and Michael Morgan on the public Discord. The gatekeepers demanded TikTok virality before they would release the song, *"they said the song needs to go viral on tiktok for them to release the song and im like wtf haha,"* and Roy's verdict came in Arthurian: *"they couldnt even pull the sword out of the stone."* Then, plainly: *"idk about you but i feel like fucking dumbledore."* > > His end-run was to route around the label entirely, *"dropped it on the blockchain becuase the label has no rights there! Haha go cop it,"* [[The Realm]] in action, while the clearance was separately delayed by the January 2025 LA fires. In the meantime the Circle was recruited: *"the more you all comment and ask for it, the more ammo we have to prove to the label that it should be released."* And when the song finally dropped, Michael announced it in perfect house-elf: *"Master gave dumbledore a sock, dumbledore is finally free,"* the label cast as Lucius Malfoy, the freed song as Dobby. > > The sharpest reading of the saga is its double-bind: to escape the [[The Circus|Circus]], the Circle had to *run* the Circus, comment campaigns, streaming asks, manufactured demand. Freeing dumbledore meant playing the gatekeepers' game well enough to beat it. That is the pathos under the joke, and the lived, biographical floor of *"the algorithm, baby."* > [!mask]- Fuvk you malfoy > One other Potter name surfaces in the catalogue, and it surfaces as a punchline. While the label sat on the song, Roy posted *"Fuvk you malfoy"* (misspelling included) over the DARK ARTS version, casting the gatekeepers as Lucius Malfoy. Hold that at exactly its weight: it is Roy jeering a suit, of a piece with the Dobby-sock beat, and it is *not* a name-derivation for [[Sir Lucius]]. If anything it strengthens the firewall, the one documented Malfoy in the whole catalogue is a jab at the label, not a source for anybody's name. > > Sir Lucius and Lucius Malfoy do share a Latin light-field, *lux*, and that resonance is real but explicitly the weakest strand of the name. The stronger lineage, Lucifer as light-bringer, runs entirely outside Potter and gets worked out where it actually lives, on the [[Sir Lucius]] pages. Mention Malfoy here only to set him aside. > [!lore]- The same very old library > Six motifs run parallel in the two catalogues, and every one routes through a tradition node, zero arrows from Rowling to Roy: > - **Alchemy:** Rowling's wizarding world is confirmedly built on it (Flamel is book-one canon; the red/white color-coding pairs Rubeus and Albus); Jagwar Twin's side is [[Nigredo]], dissolution before rebirth. Shared tradition: the Great Work. > - **The double and the shadow:** Potter's disowned double; Jagwar Twin's [[Sir Lucius]], the mind split from the heart, and [[The Dweller on the Threshold]]. Shared tradition: the Jungian shadow. > - **The mirror:** the Mirror of Erised; [[Source vs Reflection]] and [[The Empty Mirror]]. Shared tradition: the mirror as a way of knowing. > - **Anamnesis:** Potter's hidden-knowledge long game; [[The Circle]]'s remembrance-not-acquisition, "the inside of the inside." Shared tradition: Gnostic and Platonic recollection. > - **Word-magic:** Latinate spells and true names; the letters-as-creative-force current the guide tracks at [[Letters of Creation]]. Shared tradition: the word as creative power. > - **Death-rebirth:** Fawkes and the sacrificial mentor; the Circle's recurrence and survival-through-rock-bottom. Shared tradition: the death-rebirth mystery. > > One more, held at arm's length: the song appears to run a martyr and persecution cluster too, crucifixion imagery, thorns, climbing out of the grave, a persecuted-truth-teller roll-call. There is a genuine shared tradition behind that as well, but this one does not get a clean seventh row, because it leans almost entirely on a lyric sheet streaming has never verified. Provisional until the words are confirmed (see the receipts drawer). > > Two guards travel with the map. The deeper Potter-side architecture (the Black-family star names, the Hallows sigil, the sevens) is real *in Potter*, but it is context about Potter, never evidence about Roy: a neighbor's bookshelf, not a citation. And the differences matter as much as the rhymes: Jagwar Twin's heart-and-mind split, its attention economy, its internal authorship problem, none of that reduces to Potter's moral cosmology. This is comparative mythology, not a key. > [!reading]- Go dumb or go home > The song's core move is that the name enacts its own degradation: "Dumble-dore" decays in real time into "dumb... go dumb," a wisdom-name, the long-game sage, flattened into a club chant. That is not a lapse, it is the thesis performed. The song doesn't argue with the wise-elder archetype, it memes it into mush, because that is precisely what the [[The Algorithm|Algorithm]] and the Circus do to anything profound. > > Read a step further and it becomes a persecution thesis: Hollywood doesn't burn its truth-tellers anymore, it flattens them into content. On this reading, "go dumb" is what witch-burning looks like now, and the *delivery* is the argument. This sits partly on Roy's own words elsewhere about cancel culture, that if you're fighting something you become that thing without knowing, the burner becoming the witch. > > And a gentler third reading, the one that touches the wound: "going dumb" as dissociation and survival, ecstatic ego-death, numbing the mind so the body can still perform. "I'm already gone" carries all three at once, the meme-flattening, the party-nihilism, and the quiet exhaustion underneath. > > A caution belongs right here, not buried below: the martyr scaffolding these readings lean on (the thorns, the grave, the roll-call of the persecuted) comes from an unofficial lyric sheet that streaming has never verified. The hook's degradation is audible; the deep martyr cluster is provisional. Carry it loosely. > [!reading]- The fool, the prison, and whose voice it is > A promo caption pins the release tagline *"GO DUMB"* straight to Gurdjieff, quoting his prison teaching: realize you are in prison first, because if you think you are free, you can't escape. Gurdjieff is an influence Roy has named publicly again and again, so the song's own punchline arrives as a thesis in disguise: go dumb, never notice the cell, never leave it. > > The truncation also rhymes with an old figure, the holy fool, and in the deck the rest of the cosmology already leans on, the Tarot's Fool (card 0): highest wisdom appearing as idiocy to the profane world. Held as a resonance, not an intent-claim, it means the degradation cuts two ways, imposed by the Circus, or *chosen* as the fool's disguise. Hold both. > > Which raises the unresolved authorship question: is "dumbledore" Roy's sincere wound, or Sir Lucius mocking the martyr-complex by turning a crucifixion into a club banger? The Gatekeeper Saga grounds the *title* as sincerely Potter-coded, Roy genuinely feels like Dumbledore fighting the gatekeepers, but the song holds both registers at once. Don't pick. And a speculative turn worth holding as a question, not a verdict: even "sincere Roy" may be a built pole, a mask like any other. Some of us think we are just as likely to find out the Roy character is a shadow too. > [!question]- Left open on purpose > **Is "dumbledore" a single, a track on [[MAGIK]], or its own six-track EP?** The listings disagree, so assert no track-sequence meaning yet. **Does a discrete DARK ARTS visualizer exist as a single fixed video?** The "DARK ARTS VERSION" is documented in the metadata, but the striking empty-robe imagery some descriptions attach to it has not been traced to a verified source; until it is, no reading gets built on it. **The persecution roll-call** (Galileo, Joan of Arc, a "Constantine" that forks between the Emperor and the DC occultist) rests on unverified proper nouns; official lyrics would settle it. **And whose voice is the song?** Unresolved by design, see the drawer above. One narrowed absence is worth naming too: there is no documented Roy reference to Hogwarts, Voldemort, Horcruxes, or Rowling anywhere. That standing absence is exactly why everything past "dumbledore" stays convergence, and the moment a real one surfaces, it graduates. > [!receipts]- Sources and confidence > Grounded in public material: the song and its Spotify-verified credits (writers Roy English, Ryan Daly, Dustin Steven Rutkowski; Big Loud, 2025; Laboratorium Pieśni); the DARK ARTS version in the metadata; the "love song" Acoustic caption; the whole Gatekeeper Saga on the public Discord (the codename, the TikTok ultimatum, the sword in the stone, "i feel like fucking dumbledore," the blockchain end-run, the Dobby-sock resolution); the "Fuvk you malfoy" caption; the "potter heads and wizard nerds" self-ID and the 2022 favorites list; Michael's 2023 "You're a wizard Luke" tour clip; the GO DUMB caption quoting Gurdjieff; and the Lucius roast plus Roy's "somewhere in the middle" from the released Interview series. Rowling's alchemy is verifiable on the Potter side only. > > Strong readings, labeled as readings: the six tradition-routed parallels as convergence; the name-degradation core move; meme-ification as modern persecution; going dumb as survival; the Malfoy resonance set aside as never a derivation; the gatekeeper double-bind. > > Framework, attributed to its traditions: the Great Work, the Jungian shadow, the mirror, anamnesis, word-magic, the death-rebirth mystery, the Tarot Fool, Gurdjieff's sleeping man. > > Two cautions carry through the page. The martyr and persecution material leans on an unofficial lyric sheet streaming has never verified; treat it as provisional. And a fabrication-hygiene note: lyrics about "Horcruxes / why have you abandoned me" circulate online pinned to this song. They are not Roy's; they belong to a different wizard-rock track entirely. > > This page draws only on released music, public posts, public interviews, and official videos. None of this is the answer; it is one way of seeing it. > [!feed]- Read next > [[dumbledore]] · [[Sir Lucius]] · [[Gatekeeper Saga]] · [[The Realm]] · [[Nigredo]] · [[MAGIK]]